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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6886204" data-attributes="member: 4937">This is a restatement of what lowkey said.&nbsp; In order for their to be order, structure, and predictability, all members of the system must agree to some external referent by which they can know there place and purpose in the system.&nbsp; If each member of the system has their own internal idea of what the structure should be like, and no one else in the system can know what it is, then you don't have a lawful system.&nbsp; You don't have that predictability that lawful seeks, because you can't know what law they are subject to.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's precisely why the defining trait of someone who is lawful is their willingness to except the judgment of some higher thing as being better and more definitive than their own judgment.&nbsp; Ok, no.&nbsp; Personality is not the same as alignment, at least not before the level of some sort of being that is literally Law incarnate.&nbsp; That is a lawful stereotype.&nbsp; In other words, what you are thinking of is a person whose personality reflects the sort of world they ultimately want to live in.&nbsp;&nbsp; But by no means is every neat freak lawful, nor is every lawful a neat freak.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But it is quite possible to have a messy slob that is lawful, and a neat freak that is chaotic.&nbsp; The way you know the messy slob is lawful is because he believes that there is some higher authority whose judgment over how he ought to behave is more trust worthy than his own and that it is therefore right and proper that he subjugate his judgment to that higher authority, and further that he believes what is right for him applies to everyone.&nbsp;&nbsp; Things like how messy or how punctual a person actually is are superficial aspects of that belief.&nbsp; A lawful person might believe he ought to be organized and punctual, but might find that difficult to accomplish or of lower priority than some overriding duty.&nbsp; That doesn't make them less lawful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6886204, member: 4937"] This is a restatement of what lowkey said. In order for their to be order, structure, and predictability, all members of the system must agree to some external referent by which they can know there place and purpose in the system. If each member of the system has their own internal idea of what the structure should be like, and no one else in the system can know what it is, then you don't have a lawful system. You don't have that predictability that lawful seeks, because you can't know what law they are subject to. That's precisely why the defining trait of someone who is lawful is their willingness to except the judgment of some higher thing as being better and more definitive than their own judgment. Ok, no. Personality is not the same as alignment, at least not before the level of some sort of being that is literally Law incarnate. That is a lawful [I]stereotype[/I]. In other words, what you are thinking of is a person whose personality reflects the sort of world they ultimately want to live in. But by no means is every neat freak lawful, nor is every lawful a neat freak. But it is quite possible to have a messy slob that is lawful, and a neat freak that is chaotic. The way you know the messy slob is lawful is because he believes that there is some higher authority whose judgment over how he ought to behave is more trust worthy than his own and that it is therefore right and proper that he subjugate his judgment to that higher authority, and further that he believes what is right for him applies to everyone. Things like how messy or how punctual a person actually is are superficial aspects of that belief. A lawful person might believe he ought to be organized and punctual, but might find that difficult to accomplish or of lower priority than some overriding duty. That doesn't make them less lawful. [/QUOTE]

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