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<blockquote data-quote="Nivenus" data-source="post: 4701688" data-attributes="member: 71756"><p>I agreed with you up until the end of the Law/Chaos bit. Law and chaos are commonly misunderstood, in part because they're not a major part of our cultural consciousness the way they were of many ancient societies (which D&D's inspirations were largely based off of). Our primary moral consciousness is D&D's good/evil axis, based around Platonic and Judeo-Christian ideals.</p><p></p><p>However, at least in D&D terms, you're dead wrong about Good and Evil. True, good isn't necessarily about being <em>nice</em>, but being nice is a very large component of D&D's definition of good. Courtesy and consideration for others' feelings is considered a minor virtue of good.</p><p></p><p>More to the point, being nice is one thing. Having respect for life is another, and that is a very, very strong component of good according to the Book of Exalted Deeds. And Rorschach has <em>no</em> respect for life in of itself. In fact, he looks down upon and scorns most of everybody around him. He still doesn't think people should go around ax murdering people at random. Hardly. After all, his entire schtick is going around and brutally torturing/murdering people who do that sort of thing.</p><p></p><p>But he doesn't respect life in of itself. And he has no qualms about ending it whenever he feels it necessary.</p><p></p><p>The aforementioned incident with the masochistic would-be villain is, I think, a good point. Granted, its anecdotal, so it's not very strong evidence. But the fact that the other characters are willing to believe it, that Rorschach would casually end the life of an admittedly kooky and kind of disturbing fan is definitely strong evidence he's not good, at least not by D&D definitions (as I said, Rorschach may fare "better" by different moral standards).</p><p></p><p>Secondly, another large virtue of good, according to the Book of Exalted Deeds, is mercy and forgiveness. Rorschach has no sense of either word. To him, a villain is a villain, deserving of as much cruelty and pain as they deal out. Mercy is for fools. Forgiveness is a little evil. He has no faith in the justice system, no faith in trial by peers or judgment by others. This is not good, by D&D definitions. This is, in fact, treading very closely on the toes of evil.</p><p></p><p>I can see the argument that Rorschach is neutral. I may even be convinced by it. But he is most definitely <em>not</em> good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nivenus, post: 4701688, member: 71756"] I agreed with you up until the end of the Law/Chaos bit. Law and chaos are commonly misunderstood, in part because they're not a major part of our cultural consciousness the way they were of many ancient societies (which D&D's inspirations were largely based off of). Our primary moral consciousness is D&D's good/evil axis, based around Platonic and Judeo-Christian ideals. However, at least in D&D terms, you're dead wrong about Good and Evil. True, good isn't necessarily about being [i]nice[/i], but being nice is a very large component of D&D's definition of good. Courtesy and consideration for others' feelings is considered a minor virtue of good. More to the point, being nice is one thing. Having respect for life is another, and that is a very, very strong component of good according to the Book of Exalted Deeds. And Rorschach has [i]no[/i] respect for life in of itself. In fact, he looks down upon and scorns most of everybody around him. He still doesn't think people should go around ax murdering people at random. Hardly. After all, his entire schtick is going around and brutally torturing/murdering people who do that sort of thing. But he doesn't respect life in of itself. And he has no qualms about ending it whenever he feels it necessary. The aforementioned incident with the masochistic would-be villain is, I think, a good point. Granted, its anecdotal, so it's not very strong evidence. But the fact that the other characters are willing to believe it, that Rorschach would casually end the life of an admittedly kooky and kind of disturbing fan is definitely strong evidence he's not good, at least not by D&D definitions (as I said, Rorschach may fare "better" by different moral standards). Secondly, another large virtue of good, according to the Book of Exalted Deeds, is mercy and forgiveness. Rorschach has no sense of either word. To him, a villain is a villain, deserving of as much cruelty and pain as they deal out. Mercy is for fools. Forgiveness is a little evil. He has no faith in the justice system, no faith in trial by peers or judgment by others. This is not good, by D&D definitions. This is, in fact, treading very closely on the toes of evil. I can see the argument that Rorschach is neutral. I may even be convinced by it. But he is most definitely [i]not[/i] good. [/QUOTE]
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