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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 4702007" data-attributes="member: 1003">They were probably misled by reading the DMG. Shame on them! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So ... Paladins are lawful in D&amp;D because the Gods are occasionally physically apparent (and can be visited at-will by high level priests to be questioned on the finer points of catechism), but they would by Chaotic in the real world because they would &quot;answer only to God&quot; and ignore the &quot;unjust laws&quot; of King and Pope?Celebrim, you clearly have a very well thought out definition of alignment, and I'm sure the clarity and guidance you can provide benefit your campaign. But the D&amp;D rules over the years haven't been nearly as clear. Occasionally they're downright contradictory. There are alternative explanations that have just as much support from the text as yours.---------------------------------------------------------------D&amp;D's alignment system is famously inadequate at pegging real world people in one slot or another, but if I had to I'd peg Rorschach as Lawful Neutral. Lawful: He has his code, which is fully internalized, and abides by it. He judges others and finds them wanting. The fact that the US government in the comic is also found wanting does not make him chaotic; it just shows how unwilling he is to compromise his principles.Neutral: For the reasons Nivenus outlined, he cannot be considered &quot;Good.&quot;&nbsp; But he is also unselfish and can be kind. He does not work to acquire power for himself or for a higher authority, but is trying to improve (as he sees it) the world.&nbsp; So Evil doesn't apply either. Neutral is therefore the default.P.S. - Picking Unaligned is a cop out. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Just admit that the Alignment Axes are a stupid ontology and refuse to play the game. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 4702007, member: 1003"] They were probably misled by reading the DMG. [I]Shame on them![/I] ;) So ... Paladins are lawful in D&D because the Gods are occasionally physically apparent (and can be visited at-will by high level priests to be questioned on the finer points of catechism), but they would by Chaotic in the real world because they would "answer only to God" and ignore the "unjust laws" of King and Pope? Celebrim, you clearly have a very well thought out definition of alignment, and I'm sure the clarity and guidance you can provide benefit your campaign. But the D&D rules over the years haven't been nearly as clear. Occasionally they're downright contradictory. There are alternative explanations that have just as much support from the text as yours. --------------------------------------------------------------- D&D's alignment system is famously inadequate at pegging real world people in one slot or another, but if I had to I'd peg Rorschach as Lawful Neutral. [U]Lawful[/U]: He has his code, which is fully internalized, and abides by it. He judges others and finds them wanting. The fact that the US government in the comic is also found wanting does not make him chaotic; it just shows how unwilling he is to compromise his principles. [U]Neutral[/U]: For the reasons Nivenus outlined, he cannot be considered "Good." But he is also unselfish and can be kind. He does not work to acquire power for himself or for a higher authority, but is trying to improve (as he sees it) the world. So Evil doesn't apply either. Neutral is therefore the default. P.S. - Picking Unaligned is a cop out. :) Just admit that the Alignment Axes are a stupid ontology and refuse to play the game. :) [/QUOTE]

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