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<blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 4705859" data-attributes="member: 63763">That would also peg the Spectre as evil, as he is justice an retribution untainted by mercy, and is equally random (in a &quot;mysterious ways&quot; meaning). The only difference is that Spectre has divine judgement which is probably a bit more accurate and finding the guilty than Rorschach is. &nbsp;Also with the means and ends definition, it would be hard to peg any of the heroes as good as ultimately they don't really do anything. They come out of retirement and save some people (good), lay the beat down on some punks (while not retribution, it's hardly merciful), fail to save a lot of people (not that they really could have). I guess the movie at least gave Nite Owl a &quot;moment&quot; that he didn't have in the graphic novel to show his disapproval.&nbsp;Now, I can definitely agree with no good people in Watchmen, or at least those that want to do good are either ineffectual at it (and thus have good means to neutral ends) or are willing to go extremely far (and thus have either evil means to good ends, or will result in evil ends by good intention) which is sort of the point of the story. &nbsp;Also, considering that this is a D&amp;D allignment system ... Rorschach is not much more evil than some members of &quot;no-evil allowed&quot; adventuring party. He slaughters &quot;monsters&quot;, and his torture for information is hardly a long and sadistic process. Not exactly redeeming, but more of an extremely pragmatic do gooder. Which does sync up with Veidt doing what he does, but on a grander scale. In the end, it may be that Rorschach sees that parallel at the end, and it is why he is willing to die since Veidt has shown him the logical end of his methods.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WalterKovacs, post: 4705859, member: 63763"] That would also peg the Spectre as evil, as he is justice an retribution untainted by mercy, and is equally random (in a "mysterious ways" meaning). The only difference is that Spectre has divine judgement which is probably a bit more accurate and finding the guilty than Rorschach is. Also with the means [i]and[/i] ends definition, it would be hard to peg any of the heroes as good as ultimately they don't really [i]do[/i] anything. They come out of retirement and save some people (good), lay the beat down on some punks (while not retribution, it's hardly merciful), fail to save a lot of people (not that they really could have). I guess the movie at least gave Nite Owl a "moment" that he didn't have in the graphic novel to show his disapproval. Now, I can definitely agree with no good people in Watchmen, or at least those that want to do good are either ineffectual at it (and thus have good means to neutral ends) or are willing to go extremely far (and thus have either evil means to good ends, or will result in evil ends by good intention) which is sort of the point of the story. Also, considering that this is a D&D allignment system ... Rorschach is not much more evil than some members of "no-evil allowed" adventuring party. He slaughters "monsters", and his torture for information is hardly a long and sadistic process. Not exactly redeeming, but more of an extremely pragmatic do gooder. Which does sync up with Veidt doing what he does, but on a grander scale. In the end, it may be that Rorschach sees that parallel at the end, and it is why he is willing to die since Veidt has shown him the logical end of his methods. [/QUOTE]

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