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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 5108649" data-attributes="member: 82425">Yes, it might be a little harsh, but that is the DM's call. I will state straight out of the mark that I for one am not a fan of cheese builds. It irks me when people put together toons of no real game flavor in order to have some game crushing, cookie cutter, number monster(just how many avenger/warlocks can there be in the world?) with no real definition of what the character actually is. I believe the fluff around the character is just as important as the numbers. I think its a bit of a betrayal of the game to a degree. Cheese builds almost never have a sense or a place in the game, its just that (mechanically) they work out of all proportion, which is why WOTC is errata-ing them. Its not that hard to spot when a build is cheesy (and the OP's was infamous) and I think players should take a bit more responsbility for NOT pushing the envelope just because its there to push. As a long term gamer and player (some 20+ years now) we have been through this and luckily my group is just too mature to resort to this crap. We have seen that cheesing just wrecks the experience for everyone except the cheeser. The end result being that inevitably non-cheesers become marginal and encounters dont work. I stand by my earlier post that the OP's DM should (IMHO) offer a free re-spec(including a new PP pic) in order that his character can be brought back to feasibility, but that it in honor of this generosity, perhaps the OP could also consider a non-cheese option when re-specing. Preventing cheese is just as much the responsibility of the player base as of the DM.</blockquote>

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