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<blockquote data-quote="DispelAkimbo" data-source="post: 2445035" data-attributes="member: 1916">I dont see his max cha as being a problem, as stated above, hes going to raise it every level and will thus eventually have a cha of 19 or more with items and enhancements.I've also now decided that he's going to go into the Incantatrix prestige class and focus on metamagic casting.&nbsp; Eventually gaining the ability to lower metamagic spell level increases by one.That should mean that he could apply the &quot;reach spell&quot; feat and &quot;chain spell&quot; feat to a spell and its level would only be raised by three and not five.&nbsp; So by my reckoning at level ten, he should be able to cast cats grace on ten people by using up a level five spell slot.Firstly, can anyone think of any problems of using &quot;reach spell&quot; and &quot;chain spell&quot; in conjunction?Secondly, what new spells would be opened up for &quot;chaining&quot; by making them &quot;reach&quot;?Absolutely right.&nbsp; Plus his charisma may only be 14, but 18 is considered &quot;high&quot; and thats only realisticly 2 modifier points different (10% on a d20).&nbsp; Now if i'm chaining a spell onto potentially twenty targets (at lvl 20), then I think the 10% less chance of suceeding is EASILY negated by the 2000% increase in potential targets <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />.Another fine choice!&nbsp; I'll see if i've got room in my second level spells for it.Thanks again for all the ideas, keep them coming please!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DispelAkimbo, post: 2445035, member: 1916"] I dont see his max cha as being a problem, as stated above, hes going to raise it every level and will thus eventually have a cha of 19 or more with items and enhancements. I've also now decided that he's going to go into the Incantatrix prestige class and focus on metamagic casting. Eventually gaining the ability to lower metamagic spell level increases by one. That should mean that he could apply the "reach spell" feat and "chain spell" feat to a spell and its level would only be raised by three and not five. So by my reckoning at level ten, he should be able to cast cats grace on ten people by using up a level five spell slot. Firstly, can anyone think of any problems of using "reach spell" and "chain spell" in conjunction? Secondly, what new spells would be opened up for "chaining" by making them "reach"? Absolutely right. Plus his charisma may only be 14, but 18 is considered "high" and thats only realisticly 2 modifier points different (10% on a d20). Now if i'm chaining a spell onto potentially twenty targets (at lvl 20), then I think the 10% less chance of suceeding is EASILY negated by the 2000% increase in potential targets :D. Another fine choice! I'll see if i've got room in my second level spells for it. Thanks again for all the ideas, keep them coming please! [/QUOTE]

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