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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8444172" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>Prediction: this thread will get long.</p><p></p><p>Very long.</p><p></p><p>Yes and no. The DM is a player sometimes in that she's participating in the game, but not a player in that her role is in part that of referee; and referees aren't players in the game they're officiating.</p><p></p><p>Again, yes and no. In some cases the players intentionally create the narrative; in others the narrative creates itself through what happens in play, and odesn't become clear until looked at in hindsight.</p><p></p><p>Via their own actions and how those actions affect the world, yes. Via their backstories, in minor ways yes. Beyond that, no; the setting is the purview of the DM.</p><p></p><p>Yes, except they are at the same time a part of that show. The "show" isn't just what the DM provides, it's what everyone else at the table provides; and while a player watches that he's also expected to return the favour and be part of the show everyone else at the table gets to watch.</p><p></p><p>Ideally they're just doing what their characters would do.</p><p></p><p>Er...I can maybe see how you could ban IN-game secrets (though were I a player I'd oppose this to the hilt), but how on earth can you ban players from keeping out-of-game secrets? (example: completely unrelated to the game you know two of your players - along with some other people - are planning a surprise party for a third; do you enforce your no-secrets rule by blowing their cover?)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8444172, member: 29398"] Prediction: this thread will get long. Very long. Yes and no. The DM is a player sometimes in that she's participating in the game, but not a player in that her role is in part that of referee; and referees aren't players in the game they're officiating. Again, yes and no. In some cases the players intentionally create the narrative; in others the narrative creates itself through what happens in play, and odesn't become clear until looked at in hindsight. Via their own actions and how those actions affect the world, yes. Via their backstories, in minor ways yes. Beyond that, no; the setting is the purview of the DM. Yes, except they are at the same time a part of that show. The "show" isn't just what the DM provides, it's what everyone else at the table provides; and while a player watches that he's also expected to return the favour and be part of the show everyone else at the table gets to watch. Ideally they're just doing what their characters would do. Er...I can maybe see how you could ban IN-game secrets (though were I a player I'd oppose this to the hilt), but how on earth can you ban players from keeping out-of-game secrets? (example: completely unrelated to the game you know two of your players - along with some other people - are planning a surprise party for a third; do you enforce your no-secrets rule by blowing their cover?) [/QUOTE]
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