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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6090161" data-attributes="member: 6681948">Pathfinder goes 10/15/20/25D&amp;D went 15/22/25/28/32 (I think – can’t find this online), so more options.Pathfinder 20 is comparable to D&amp;D 28 (both levels our group played at).&nbsp; You could put 4 stats at 14 (cost of 5 each in Pathfinder, 6 in D&amp;D) and 2 at 10 (cost nil in PF and 2 each in D&amp;D).&nbsp; Moving out to higher stats or lower stats varies the two.&nbsp; There was no point buy for a 7 in D&amp;D, while PF gives you 2 extra points (over and above the 2 for dropping to an 8).&nbsp; However, the incremental cost for increasing a stat kicks in earlier in PF (at even numbers, rather than the next odd number), so an 18 in PF costs 17 versus 16 in D&amp;D, even considering the D&amp;D character started at 8 and PF at 10 (the PF cost of selecting an 18 rather than an 8 is really 19).So what did the Necro take?&nbsp; Starting INT of 18 costs 17 points.&nbsp; Assuming 25 point buy, that leaves 8 points.&nbsp; I’m guessing he nerfed STR and CHA down to, say, 8 and 7 (spell books are heavy…) so that gives him another 6 points, so 14.&nbsp; He can pump 5 each into CON and DEX, so 14’s (certainly doesn’t suck) and That leaves 4 to have, say, a 12 WIS and a 10 STR (or 8 CHA).So let’s call his stats S8 D14 C14 I18 W12 Ch8&nbsp; 25 points (8 CHA because D&amp;D would not allow for a 7, so tough to compare)Same array in D&amp;D costs 0 + 6 + 6 + 16 + 4 + 0 = 32, so equivalent point buy.So I don’t think this is significantly less costly in Pathfinder.&nbsp; The only difference in Pathinder is the +2 INT for being an elf.&nbsp; That 1 point bonus to DC is the only difference between 3.5 and Pathfinder, so I suggest a character equally powerful could be created under either system, with Pathfinder having a small advantage due to the elf’s +2 (but a human, half elf or half orc could also assign their +2 bonus to INT).&nbsp; The big difference is that you can get bonuses to a mental stat, not just to a physical stat, from race in Pathfinder.The real issue is a combination of high point build and min/max attributes, not a change between the systems.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6090161, member: 6681948"] Pathfinder goes 10/15/20/25 D&D went 15/22/25/28/32 (I think – can’t find this online), so more options. Pathfinder 20 is comparable to D&D 28 (both levels our group played at). You could put 4 stats at 14 (cost of 5 each in Pathfinder, 6 in D&D) and 2 at 10 (cost nil in PF and 2 each in D&D). Moving out to higher stats or lower stats varies the two. There was no point buy for a 7 in D&D, while PF gives you 2 extra points (over and above the 2 for dropping to an 8). However, the incremental cost for increasing a stat kicks in earlier in PF (at even numbers, rather than the next odd number), so an 18 in PF costs 17 versus 16 in D&D, even considering the D&D character started at 8 and PF at 10 (the PF cost of selecting an 18 rather than an 8 is really 19). So what did the Necro take? Starting INT of 18 costs 17 points. Assuming 25 point buy, that leaves 8 points. I’m guessing he nerfed STR and CHA down to, say, 8 and 7 (spell books are heavy…) so that gives him another 6 points, so 14. He can pump 5 each into CON and DEX, so 14’s (certainly doesn’t suck) and That leaves 4 to have, say, a 12 WIS and a 10 STR (or 8 CHA). So let’s call his stats S8 D14 C14 I18 W12 Ch8 25 points (8 CHA because D&D would not allow for a 7, so tough to compare) Same array in D&D costs 0 + 6 + 6 + 16 + 4 + 0 = 32, so equivalent point buy. So I don’t think this is significantly less costly in Pathfinder. The only difference in Pathinder is the +2 INT for being an elf. That 1 point bonus to DC is the only difference between 3.5 and Pathfinder, so I suggest a character equally powerful could be created under either system, with Pathfinder having a small advantage due to the elf’s +2 (but a human, half elf or half orc could also assign their +2 bonus to INT). The big difference is that you can get bonuses to a mental stat, not just to a physical stat, from race in Pathfinder. The real issue is a combination of high point build and min/max attributes, not a change between the systems. [/QUOTE]

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