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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 89304" data-attributes="member: 2950">Not so uber:Radiant Servant of Pelor is only great at destroying undead and worse than a regular cleric at just about everything else.Blessed of Grumsh is powerful for 1 round per day. Big whoop.Soul Knife is a just a psionic rogue with good anti-psion attacks.Hospitaler is a cleric that gets 4 fighter feats and takes on the paladin code or you are fighter that gets clerical abilities and give up one feat. The only requirement is that you have 2 mounted feats and some mounted skills. Its nice but nothing spectacular. Cleric gives up a few points of will saves for better HP and BAB.Templar is like the hospitaler except with less spells and trades some fighter feats for DR. Nets 2 feats instead of 4 but gets 3 DR instead. Casts as a 10th level bard instead of a 10th level cleric. 2 smites thrown in.Forsaker is good but at mostly equal to someone with standard equipment for their level. Ends up getting lots of spells cast on him against his will.Arcane Archer: Anyone with Greater Magic Weapon spells totally steals all the abilities of an Arcane Archer.Uber:Singh Rager is all 20 levels of barbarian in 10 levels plus a few extra bonuses. This leaves the hospitaler in the dust.Archmage: +6 DC to your spell = uber. That's -30% chance to save for all your opponents. You don't sacrifice much for this power.Arcane Tricker: 10 levels of rogue for free, more or less.Tattooed Monk: Good DR, haste, reroll critical rollsShintao Monk: 5 bonus feats, no prereqsBladesinger: I thought this class was pretty uber but no one else mentions it. At a minimum as good as the hospitaler. You can cast spells as a free action, add your int to AC like a duelist. Full BAB, better saves. 3 bonus feats and essentially TWF and Ambidexterity for free at level 10.The most uber class: Windrider: Don't tell me you wouldn't want a horse with 275 hp, 80' move, AC 25 before armor and other enhancement, +26 to hit and +10 dam at just 11th level. Throw in 2 feats for the horse as well. One more level and your mount gets another +3 to hit, +1 dam, +2 AC and 25 hp. (300 hp, AC 27, +29 to hit, +11 dam) That's worth easily as much as a front line fighter. Oh yeah, you can heal your mount to max hp 2x per day if you have 16 wis.At level 13 you can have a dire elephant which is slow but has reach and does 4d6 + 25 to anyone in its path (20' wide, charge 60' before enhancement 48 squares total effect! Kiss a small army of 4th level fighters goodbye.) unless they make a reflex save vs DC 35 (impossible for all but 20th level rogues) and then gets another attack (377 hp, AC 18, +36 to hit, +17 dam) 30,000 lbs is a light load, 450,000 lbs drag capacity (225 tons). I think you could pull a small city in a big enough wagon or a modern battleship or whatever you can think of.  Alternatively you could have the horse but with 525 hp and +42 to hit with everything else staying the same. I think I'd give the horse power attack as one of its two feats, wouldn't you?Ok, as another example of uberness, here's your elephant when you are 15th level: 825 hp, AC 25, +50 to hit, +21 dam,  4d8+31 trample, DC 56 to avoid, power attack, imp crit, power crit. Against an AC 30 target the elephant can power crit for 8d8+106 damage 95% of the time. You can completely heal your elephant 3x per day (3300 hp equivalent, more or less.) Most characters in the smackdown thread would be obliterated by a mere 15th level windrider. 90 tons light load, 1330 tons drag. You could tow a white dwarf star.The final example is at 17th level when you have a young adult gold dragon as your mount. 345 hp, 8 feats, 37 AC, +37 to hit, 10d10 breath weapon, fear DC 29, SR 21, 7 attacks per round at at +12 damage base. The uber elephant wouldn't stand a chance against the dragon.</blockquote>

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