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<blockquote data-quote="ashockney" data-source="post: 90115" data-attributes="member: 1363">I concur that blade dancer doesn't belong in the uber class.&nbsp; I concur that Windrider now does...wow.I think those who've downplayed the Templar have never played/DM'd one.&nbsp; What's powerful about it?&nbsp; Mettle, mettle, mettle, mettle, and mettle.&nbsp; By the way, here's access to free specialization, DR,&nbsp; and the best combat buff spells in the game.&nbsp; Particularly for it's requirements, it's hand's down the top (IMHO).&nbsp; It's made even more powerful if you really only take one or two levels of it, because that's all you need.How would you take your prestige class to a &quot;4.&quot;&nbsp; Drop your requirements significantly. If the &quot;whirlwind attack&quot; is the big thing you're going after, great, get rid of the skill req's, and eliminate any feat requirement that isn't directly tied to WWA.&nbsp; The other point one of my players brought up is that one shot spells are fun, but not really that great.&nbsp; Permanent abilities are where the really money is at, so yes, I'd drop the rest of your &quot;1/day&quot; abilities and add it one or two 1st - 3rd level utility abilities that complement the class well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ashockney, post: 90115, member: 1363"] I concur that blade dancer doesn't belong in the uber class. I concur that Windrider now does...wow. I think those who've downplayed the Templar have never played/DM'd one. What's powerful about it? Mettle, mettle, mettle, mettle, and mettle. By the way, here's access to free specialization, DR, and the best combat buff spells in the game. Particularly for it's requirements, it's hand's down the top (IMHO). It's made even more powerful if you really only take one or two levels of it, because that's all you need. How would you take your prestige class to a "4." Drop your requirements significantly. If the "whirlwind attack" is the big thing you're going after, great, get rid of the skill req's, and eliminate any feat requirement that isn't directly tied to WWA. The other point one of my players brought up is that one shot spells are fun, but not really that great. Permanent abilities are where the really money is at, so yes, I'd drop the rest of your "1/day" abilities and add it one or two 1st - 3rd level utility abilities that complement the class well. [/QUOTE]

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