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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 6254899" data-attributes="member: 63962">I really do think you have got a good point here. 4e is so verbose, that to create certain character concepts, you have to sift through thousands of pages to get the feats, items and powers that makes that character concept work.The last session I ran 4e as a DM, I used some cardboard triangles with pieces of paper for showing the monsters/pc initiative order, used a piece of paper to track the hp of the monsters, and a laptop to look up some monster stats (copied with print screen into paint from an adventure pdf). I could just as well have used the printed version of the module to avoid any computer use, but hey, I didn't have it.In other words, as a DM, I don't need any software support to run 4e, but as a player, you might very well want the character builder. I know I would hate to be without it as a player.Btw, the reason for the cardboard initiative tracking is to show the initiative to both me and the players at the same time. It makes the player more aware of what's happening next, and plan what they want to do on their turn, making the game run faster. It's also much easier to use hold/ready actions for both me as a DM and the players.</blockquote>