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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6477579" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>The actual quote is, "Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man shall he fall." </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, the Witch-king was fleeing the battlefield when this was said, so it is not clear that he heard the original statement. </p><p></p><p>Later, at the battle in which he dies, he says, "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!" Note that he's broadened it out from how he shall not fall by the hand of man, to how no man can so much as slow him down. Sounds like a telephone game, to me <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Calling Merry non-human is a tad dicey. Hobbits consider themselves a different people, but in various places Tolien is fairly clear that hobbits are "relatives" of Men, a "variety" or "separate branch" of mankind. This is borne out in how, in the SIlmarillion, we know the origins of elves, dwarves, men, ents, orcs, and all. But Hobbits don't come up. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it is also clear homage to Macbeth - </p><p></p><p>"Be bloody, bold, and resolute. Laugh to scorn</p><p>The power of man, for none of woman born</p><p>Shall harm Macbeth."</p><p></p><p>And Macbeth is then killed by someone who was, in effect, born by Caserian Section. This predated Tolkien by several hundred years - the trope solidly established.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6477579, member: 177"] The actual quote is, "Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man shall he fall." Actually, the Witch-king was fleeing the battlefield when this was said, so it is not clear that he heard the original statement. Later, at the battle in which he dies, he says, "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!" Note that he's broadened it out from how he shall not fall by the hand of man, to how no man can so much as slow him down. Sounds like a telephone game, to me :) Calling Merry non-human is a tad dicey. Hobbits consider themselves a different people, but in various places Tolien is fairly clear that hobbits are "relatives" of Men, a "variety" or "separate branch" of mankind. This is borne out in how, in the SIlmarillion, we know the origins of elves, dwarves, men, ents, orcs, and all. But Hobbits don't come up. I think it is also clear homage to Macbeth - "Be bloody, bold, and resolute. Laugh to scorn The power of man, for none of woman born Shall harm Macbeth." And Macbeth is then killed by someone who was, in effect, born by Caserian Section. This predated Tolkien by several hundred years - the trope solidly established. [/QUOTE]
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