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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5727377" data-attributes="member: 11300">For a relative system, I agree that it is the "gap" that has the greatest effect on play and the greatest determination of whether something "feels wonky" at the table during play.For an absolute system, what breaks or "wonkifies" it would seem to be something slightly different. I'd say the biggest culprit here is the 3e Fort/Reflex/Will save system. Through a highly irregular modifier system that when multi-classing can simultaneously supercharge some saves while completely unaffecting others, the modifiers never seem to correctly relate the character's level and experience to their capacity for saving against certain effects. The half-level system of 4e while being an efficient sledgehammer that would straighten out the irregularities if applied to 3e's save system, perhaps does not have the finesse some (such as myself) are looking for. My point being that the mechanics for creating total modifiers had issues, rather than the scope and spectrum of the raw DC/core mechanic of 3e/4e.Another 3e culprit was synergy bonuses. I think most of us met the 2nd level diplomacy monster in some form. Again I think this was a case of neat idea but poor execution. PF "fixed" this by stripping synergy bonuses completely from the system using more refined mechanics through feats to weigh such bonuses at more appropriate points in a character's development.And just on another point, I think the following is still one of the great ideas when talking about DCs.The 3e DMG was much better (p31) but the SRD approximates it.My favourite is still the final entry of p31:DC: 43Description: Track a goblin that passed over hard rocks a week ago, and it snowed yesterday.Key Ability: Survival (Wis)Who could do it: A 20th-level ranger who has maxed out his survival skill and has been fighting goblinoids as his favored enemy since 1st level.Pure Awesome Sauce!!!The overall idea is brilliant. The breakdown in my opinion as I highlight above came from the mechanics not universally following the guidelines.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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