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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 6501733" data-attributes="member: 9053">Man it's good to see that 4E is still on everyone's hate list.To answer the question: the roles are pretty much the same as they've always been, it's just that they've gone away from talking about them. The toughest role to fill from what I've seen is really the defender, since it's pretty difficult to keep monsters from getting around you in this edition.The most recent 5E game I was in had a player (a teenager) say "get behind the meat-shield," which made my curmudgeonly old heart happy , as I was saying the exact same thing in the late 70s.Was that player explicitly thinking of his role as a defender? Of course not, but he realized that the wizard was squishy, but also able to end the combat immediately with his spells if he could only stay alive. And the cleric was the only one who was going to keep everyone on their feet through all of the battles. Yep, pretty much roles, same as in the 70s.</blockquote>