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<blockquote data-quote="SirAntoine" data-source="post: 6504052" data-attributes="member: 6731904"><p>I feel I should respond. This is the second time I find myself being assumed to hate 4e. Even though I believe the roles from 4e were unique to that edition, and represent a departure from tradition which 5e makes an effort to return to, I have not expressed that I am upset at anything that &quot;even smells vaguely like 4e&quot;. The disagreement here should be about the facts, as we are dealing with the thread's question of what are &quot;the roles&quot; now. In my opinion, and I think it is strongly supported by the facts and also by the arguments of others here, is that the roles from 4e aren't in 5e anymore and the roles are now more or less the same as they were traditionally (as in before 4e). These old roles are the cour four classes, the fighter, the wizard, the cleric, and the rogue (known as the thief before). This is both to say that there were roles in D&amp;D since the beginning, and the roles in 4e were different. I could highlight their appeal, and their strengths, but it suffices to call them unique. The term is hardly derogatory, and I did not express that the 4e roles were &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;unimportant&quot; to this discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="SirAntoine, post: 6504052, member: 6731904"] I feel I should respond. This is the second time I find myself being assumed to hate 4e. Even though I believe the roles from 4e were unique to that edition, and represent a departure from tradition which 5e makes an effort to return to, I have not expressed that I am upset at anything that "even smells vaguely like 4e". The disagreement here should be about the facts, as we are dealing with the thread's question of what are "the roles" now. In my opinion, and I think it is strongly supported by the facts and also by the arguments of others here, is that the roles from 4e aren't in 5e anymore and the roles are now more or less the same as they were traditionally (as in before 4e). These old roles are the cour four classes, the fighter, the wizard, the cleric, and the rogue (known as the thief before). This is both to say that there were roles in D&D since the beginning, and the roles in 4e were different. I could highlight their appeal, and their strengths, but it suffices to call them unique. The term is hardly derogatory, and I did not express that the 4e roles were "bad" or "unimportant" to this discussion. [/QUOTE]

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