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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6504532" data-attributes="member: 15700">I think your problem is that you're confusing editions, and that's why you think the thief was more powerful than he actually was in AD&amp;D.&nbsp; For example, you don't lose your AC bonus if you're backstabbed in AD&amp;D.&nbsp; The thief only gets a +4 to hit.&nbsp; And as I mentioned, you don't automatically hide every time.&nbsp; You have to make a successful roll.&nbsp; An 8th level thief only has roughly a 50% chance of doing so, and that's providing there is a place for them to hide AND the target walks by you.&nbsp; If you have to move to the target, you have to make a move silently roll in addition to your earlier hide in shadows.In AD&amp;D, both 1e and 2e, the thief is not a striker.&nbsp; It seems you're applying 3e rules to it, and that's not the case.&nbsp; To answer you question as to what a thief does when he can't do a backstab?&nbsp; Whatever you as the player think is appropriate.&nbsp; Often a regular attack.&nbsp; Or throwing caltrops, or oil, or whatever.&nbsp; Combat is not the thief's specialty.&nbsp; But just because he can't do a backstab doesn't mean he just stands around and does nothing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6504532, member: 15700"] I think your problem is that you're confusing editions, and that's why you think the thief was more powerful than he actually was in AD&D. For example, you don't lose your AC bonus if you're backstabbed in AD&D. The thief only gets a +4 to hit. And as I mentioned, you don't automatically hide every time. You have to make a successful roll. An 8th level thief only has roughly a 50% chance of doing so, and that's providing there is a place for them to hide AND the target walks by you. If you have to move to the target, you have to make a move silently roll in addition to your earlier hide in shadows. In AD&D, both 1e and 2e, the thief is not a striker. It seems you're applying 3e rules to it, and that's not the case. To answer you question as to what a thief does when he can't do a backstab? Whatever you as the player think is appropriate. Often a regular attack. Or throwing caltrops, or oil, or whatever. Combat is not the thief's specialty. But just because he can't do a backstab doesn't mean he just stands around and does nothing. [/QUOTE]

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