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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6504561" data-attributes="member: 67338">very possible in the last 10 years I have played 1e with the leather bound books, and a 2e retro clone (myth and magic... infact running it right now) but not 2e... so my memory is far from perfect.your skill thing made me google this and &nbsp;no shield no dex and +4...&nbsp;For some reason I am remembering shield only in front and loosing dex with surprise (neaither right in back stab but very often associated with it.&nbsp;of course not... no edition was auto...&nbsp;&nbsp; I may not remember a lot...but I'm googling this one...Skill&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Base ScorePick Pockets&nbsp; &nbsp; 15%Open Locks&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10%Find/Remove Traps&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5%Move Silently&nbsp; 10%Hide in Shadows&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5%Detect Noise&nbsp;&nbsp; 15%Climb Walls&nbsp; &nbsp; 60%Read Languages&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0%then hide in shadow is upto +10% race and if you have a 16+ dex...then you get 60pts and no more then 30pts in one skill, every level 30pts upto 15 per skill, so 50% could be hit at level 3 5%+10%+30pt+15pt= 60%...&nbsp;there is 0 way to know how often that is or isn't an issue...&nbsp;I disagree they are what became 3e and 4 e and 5e rogues... aka strikers&nbsp;&nbsp; no one suggested standing around doing nothing... so who was that addressed to? I had in my 3 round example 2 rounds of regular attacks... so I am very confused.you appear to be adding extra restrictions(the back stab dex thing) and making skills harder (8th level to do what I can do at 2nd) it almost seems like you don't want it tbe true that they got a combat only ability as one of there class features and it was to do massive burst damage...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6504561, member: 67338"] very possible in the last 10 years I have played 1e with the leather bound books, and a 2e retro clone (myth and magic... infact running it right now) but not 2e... so my memory is far from perfect. your skill thing made me google this and no shield no dex and +4... For some reason I am remembering shield only in front and loosing dex with surprise (neaither right in back stab but very often associated with it. of course not... no edition was auto... I may not remember a lot...but I'm googling this one... Skill Base Score Pick Pockets 15% Open Locks 10% Find/Remove Traps 5% Move Silently 10% Hide in Shadows 5% Detect Noise 15% Climb Walls 60% Read Languages 0% then hide in shadow is upto +10% race and if you have a 16+ dex... then you get 60pts and no more then 30pts in one skill, every level 30pts upto 15 per skill, so 50% could be hit at level 3 5%+10%+30pt+15pt= 60%... there is 0 way to know how often that is or isn't an issue... I disagree they are what became 3e and 4 e and 5e rogues... aka strikers no one suggested standing around doing nothing... so who was that addressed to? I had in my 3 round example 2 rounds of regular attacks... so I am very confused. you appear to be adding extra restrictions(the back stab dex thing) and making skills harder (8th level to do what I can do at 2nd) it almost seems like you don't want it tbe true that they got a combat only ability as one of there class features and it was to do massive burst damage... [/QUOTE]

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