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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6504671" data-attributes="member: 67338">yes, a cleric was able to fill any role... a wizard could do most, a druid could do all and have a companion do one too... paliden and barbarian didn't reall have that much inside the class...finess weapons: d6 rapier (now in 4e and 5e d8) dagger d4, and the spiked chain... yea the most powerful weapon for a rogue is a length of chain and spikes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />ok so lets take the biggest weapon I know... 2d6 19+ crit the good news is it is also 1.5x str to use it... and inless I am miss remembering weapon finess doesn't add dex to damage...give both the same + magic item (so not maddering) you are left with 2d6+(1.5xstr) vs 1d4+Xd6... so lets looklevel 5  give the barbarian a rageing  str of 22 so +6(+9) that is 2d6+9 or 1d4+3d6 like any equastion 2d6=2d6... so we are left with 9 or 1d4+1d6... so 9 or 2-10 average 6, the 9 wins barbarians do more damage (not by much)Level 9 give the barb 24 str so +7 (+10) we have 2d6+10 or 1d4+5d6...  so again cancle the 2d6=2d6 and we are left with +10 or 1d4+3d6 so it looks like 10 or 4-22 average 13, yup looks like they can keep up with a little knife compaired ot the biggest axelevel 20 lets give the barb a 34 str... so +12(+18) 2d6+18 compaired to 1d4+10d6</blockquote>

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