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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6504748" data-attributes="member: 67338">this is crazy now... everything you said about 1e or 2e is MORE true about 4e, the utilities that they gave helped them be  so it is still the same thing... the striker part doesn't negate any of that stuff... again the edition that labled them gave them utility powers that helped them be better at the things you say 1e an2e had with little to no help...then what makes a 4e rogue different from a 1e thief? sure you can let me prove that with my post from a few days ago...I had to sit down with 4 new (to me) players and a DM I bearly knew at all and I was the first at the table to play a warlock... everyone kept thinking that ment a specialist wizard... I had to explain how it was different, and it took awhile, I wish I understood the 4e terms back then in 3.5 because "Im more striker then controller" would have saved me at least an hour of explanation...sure you can... A word was used to describe a style of class, it doesn't matter what edition it was in or even what game... it is pretty generic but fits...</blockquote>