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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6504873" data-attributes="member: 67338">so in your mind being able to throw Xd6 damage where X equals half your level, and the ability to uncanny dodge for half damage is thematic to all rogue... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> I'm sorry I see the same thing I saw in 4e..then why do we have class features like sneak attack? lets go with yours... If your buddy showed up to a game with a rogue in 5e that did more damage then your fighter would that mean "OMG roles are back?!" or would it just mean that you both went for maximizing damage and he got ahead?edit: I had to come back to this... you say that if rogues do less then fighters the striker role is not in play, what stops fighters from just being strikers (look none of there marks or other things came forward so they can't be defenders)?In 4e I built a slayer fighter half orc... I had a big sword and a longbow... I also took the feat that gave me a skill power and mix and matched skills a bit. I then took a theme(but I can't for the life of me remember what one) I was the face of the party, a light armor high dex mostly archey fighter that had a big sword as back up... I was dealing much more damage then our rouge (thief) and was better with skills then him... I also had better hp althouth are ACs were within 2 of each other for all 15 levels we played.  The fact that I built a fighter that out did the rogue doesn't mean anything... all editions have levels of skill mastery, and I built a powerful character.so in your mind the fighter is still what? I mean you keep compairing them but all that does is show the fighter is a high damage causeing character...I mean by those standards even a PHB1 4e fighter was a striker... +1 to hit is concentrated offense, he has big weapon profs and 2w encounter and 3w daily at first level... if you go to splats there second encounter power (at 3rd level) could be 3w... the rogue was stuck with d4,d6, or d8 weapons, had a lower to hit and still only had 1w/2w/3w attacks...</blockquote>

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