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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6505925" data-attributes="member: 2067">Why would that be true? Roles as they were played are subject to a lot of variation and subjectivity. That's kind of my point, after all -- 4e's roles weren't familiar to a lot of players. If someone says they played the game with roles that were basically 4e's roles, I'm in no position to dispute that. If you say you had color-coded roles, maybe you did! ("red" is classes that are melee, 'cuz they get covered in blood, and "blue" is characters who are cool because every group has a cool character, and "yellow" is characters who dressed up in chicken suits because that was super-important in this one game and it became a thing for the group and....)I don't buy that concrete definitions are required. They say these were important to them, and they are the most reliable witness to their own experience, so I accept their account of what happened to them. Trying to pin down subjective roles with mathematical certainty is a quixotic endeavor. I mean, the rogue/thief is an example from this very thread - some DMs had them as "strikers" because they dealt big spike damage on a semi-regular basis, but other DMs didn't, because of a more limited interpretation of Backstab. Neither group is "wrong," it's just a variety of experiences.Man, I am not usually one to throw this around, but if you can find me a D&D group that never made up anything of their own, I'm pretty much going to say that they were playing D&D wrong. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ...a world where everyone plays pregens and obeys RAW 100%....where the DM runs only modules set in pre-existing settings....where every goblin was statistically identical.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Which is just to say that coming up with party roles isn't some aberrant variation, it's just a way to play.</blockquote>

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