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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6505931" data-attributes="member: 48965">To touch on a few of your points in more depth...Or when WotC created the roles they named them that way because they match up with MMOrpg terminology and are easily recognizable by many people that would play D&D...  No they aren't ignoring it as it was actually played... what they are saying is that before 4e the term striker as applied to D&D was so nebulous as to have no real meaning... however 4e took the term defined it and then designed classes within those defined constraints... thus they created those roles whole cloth unless they consulted with these hypothetical tables that had been playing D&D with said roles, which I have no reason to believe they did.Again, MMOrpg terminology... even people who don't play them tend to have a basic understanding of it... that's the homework I think they did.  As to whether fans who speak of roles like this are lying... I never claimed they were, but I bet if you ask them to define it you'll probably get a nebulous answer at best (and probably wildly differing in that nebulousness)... as we did in this thread when i asked the question. This makes no sense to me, with the number of houserules, variants, etc. that people use in D&D where is the line drawn?  or can we just claim any and everything is a part of D&D since someone somewhere might have done it... This quickly spirals into ridiculousness if we are talking about what has or hasn't been a part of the game... I'm sure drugs and alcohol are part of some ones game somewhere does that mean it's correct to claim drugs and alcohol have been a part of D&D since the beginning?</blockquote>

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