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<blockquote data-quote="Paraxis" data-source="post: 6506177" data-attributes="member: 13009">4e roles covered one aspect or pillar of the game, combat.&nbsp; Things like party face or front man is a role in most adventuring groups and it is independent of your combat role, the paladin defender could be the face, so could the striker sorcerer, or leader bard.&nbsp; Scout is high stealth/perception character and usually best served by rangers and a few other dex/wis classes.&nbsp; But those are explicit non combat roles one for the social pillar and one for the exploration pillar.I think you guys have beaten a whole herd of dead horses in this conversation, roles both narrow combat defined (4e) and broad overall (most every rpg) have and will continue to exist.&nbsp; Back in the day well before MMO's we had &quot;Meat Shield&quot; &quot;Healer&quot; and &quot;Trap Spotter&quot;&nbsp; at pretty much every game I ever ran or played.&nbsp; When we all got together we wanted to make sure we didn't step on each others toes and compete for spotlight time.&nbsp; In 4e terms you can't make some classes in 5e fit every role, but there is cross over, but there was crossover in 4e.&nbsp; It all depends on how you think about your character builds and the terms you use at your table, does that need 27+ pages of going back and forth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Paraxis, post: 6506177, member: 13009"] 4e roles covered one aspect or pillar of the game, combat. Things like party face or front man is a role in most adventuring groups and it is independent of your combat role, the paladin defender could be the face, so could the striker sorcerer, or leader bard. Scout is high stealth/perception character and usually best served by rangers and a few other dex/wis classes. But those are explicit non combat roles one for the social pillar and one for the exploration pillar. I think you guys have beaten a whole herd of dead horses in this conversation, roles both narrow combat defined (4e) and broad overall (most every rpg) have and will continue to exist. Back in the day well before MMO's we had "Meat Shield" "Healer" and "Trap Spotter" at pretty much every game I ever ran or played. When we all got together we wanted to make sure we didn't step on each others toes and compete for spotlight time. In 4e terms you can't make some classes in 5e fit every role, but there is cross over, but there was crossover in 4e. It all depends on how you think about your character builds and the terms you use at your table, does that need 27+ pages of going back and forth. [/QUOTE]

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