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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6507076" data-attributes="member: 67338">ok, then slight change... lets go with your statement, there have always been roles... then I don't see the disconnect. no... I;m not, the disconnect comes when I say that and am told I have FACTUALY been disproven... if it is a matter of perspective then you can't prove or disprove anything... yup just like 5e and 3e, and I bet 2e... wasn't there someone back when all the fourms where merged talking about going to play a heavy house ruled 1e game because they knew people that didn't think 2e fit there style... It was put there during the 5e playtest (well it was still called next) because it seemed every other post I was getting told my opion was colored by my edition choice... I had a post about a year ago where I had shown how in 24 hours I had been told I was BOTH a wotc apologist AND a wotc hater... and within a day or two of that had been told I must have hated 4e...even when I said that was my fav edition. There was a pic of it at one point too, I don't remember why it isn't there anymore.I am also not with every fantasy game... if given the choice of my girlfriend making me rewatch twilight or playing pathfinder... I will get the popcorn. I also wont play long in rifts...I find it is much better in small bursts then in campaigns.  yup right now I have 5 games I play regularly, I play every Tuesday and saterday both on a roatating game. I am in as a PC an oWoD Mage Victorian age game, and a 4e game (although it is only 1x a month and we took off dec) and I am running a oWoD Mage modern age game, a Myth and magic (2e retro clone) and we just did a character creation night for my 1st 5e game. yup... I don't understand it, but I do know it...well yes and no. There is of course a matter of taste... there are also some people who just hate for no reason...and there are people who fear change.  The only reason we can play our 2 oWoD games on saterday nights is because one of our players had to bow out (family things) because he refused to try the system... he would not even read the rules, he already knew he hated it...now I know well what it is like to be labled a hater... I get told all the time pathfinder is just D&D, and if I tried it I would like it...disregaruding that I have listed exactly what I don't like, and why... and still have tried it many times. yep...I;m one of those loud people.  let me tell you what I both DO and DON'T DO...I don't ever tell anyone what edition they should play (inless responding to a question like witch should I play)I do tell people that they don't get to decide 4e isn't D&DI don't go into the pathfinder threads and say "THis SUCKS"I do tell people in 4e threads that they are wrong if they say 4e sucksI don't expect people to always be on the same page, or even agree on what is good or notI do expect people to always be honest and not dismissive of my or others thoughts and opiononsYou know when I get loud, I get loud when people try to say untrue hurtful and/or antagonizing things about my so far fav edition...so "I didn't like the way 4e did the roles" leads to a discussion on improveing itbut "4e is the only edition to have roles and they need to die in a fire" gets me first trying to engage and then eventually arguing... see here is the thing... we are all here talking about 5e. We all want the best 5e game we can have... telling people there edition of choice (any edition, basic, pathfinder, or 4e) doesn't count, or was a bad edition or should be forgotten is in no way productive...</blockquote>

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