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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6507124" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Only because they were fighters. Other PCs, if you watched them, would turn out not to have a 4E role at all (thieves), so clearly they were not "doing the same thing."This whole discussion is very Kuhnian (The Structure of Scientific Revolutions). Kuhn says that a paradigm defines, for its practicioners, which questions are valid to ask and are assumed to have answers, and which data is worth paying attention to. So within the 4E paradigm, the valid question is, "What role is Bob the Magus?" The idea that he might not act as a striker/controller/defender/leader never occurs (maybe he's a scout), or that he might fit one of those labels now and another in ten minutes and another tomorrow, or that he might fit two or more simultaneously (5E fighters are strikers + defenders simultaneously). In theory it's possible for individuals to shift paradigms, but in practice the only event which ever leads to community-wide paradigm shift is population shift: for the practicioners of the old paradigm to die out or get drowned out by new arrivals. 4E players will continue seeing 4E-style roles in 5E, probably for the rest of their lives, and any examples that don't fit the paradigm will be shoehorned in anyway ("face" as "controller"?) or dismissed as special cases that don't overturn the general rule that "everyone is a striker/defender/healer/controller."This isn't a slam on 4E, just what happens to every paradigm. If I had any good examples of another RPG paradigm which was as strong as 4E roles I'd use that example as well.</blockquote>

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