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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6507583" data-attributes="member: 67338">ok new day lets try again with a fresh start. no one is suggesting you HAVE to do anything... if you want to ignore lables, that's fine.this seems to be where you are talking past me, I am in  no way suggesting changing the way classes or combat work.(well not entirely true I do want MORE options for fighter and rogue, but that isn't really about role and is not for a reason we are talking about so I am skiping it for now)once again, the mechanics we are discussing are ones that already are in 5e, not changing...how does a note on the rogue saying "Sneak attack, the extra action thing and uncanny dodge work togather to fulfill a striker role, and the assassin totally adds to this, well the thief adds more to the role of face and scout" in any way change anything?nobody has suggested I can't PLAY with roles, infact as I myself have pointed out here and else where, my character creation last Tuesday night very much discussed it, what we said was by not labeling it that made it hide some things and intentions. On the other hand, if we changed 0 mechanics, and just LABLED the intent of the mechanics how does that stop you from ignorieing mechanics...((((This next part is not directed at any one, but the whole thread in general))))What about open discussion of combat and non combat role scares people? I had someone talking about Face and scout and striker a few pages ago, but that got buried under "I don't want roles!". SO I am starting to think I may not have expressed myself clearly.I in no way want 5e to change the basic mechanics(for the purpose of this discussion on roles) what I want is to lable what we have.</blockquote>

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