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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6507640" data-attributes="member: 6787650">First off: look, you've made a positive claim here that "Strong Guy = Defender." That claim isn't supported by the Wikia definition. It's not enough for you to say that your definition isn't contradicted by the Wikia quote: I'm asking where your definition comes from, because it isn't supported by the Wikia quote. What is it supported by?Your definition was: "defender does not make anyone harder to hit. A defender presents such a threat on the battlefield that if you ignore the defender, you get your --- handed to you." To make the contrast between your definition and the wikia definition really concrete: let's say the Hulk does 1000 HP of damage to you if you attack him, or 1000 HP of damage if you try to run away, or 1000 HP of damage if you attack Wonder Woman. By the 4E Wikia definition, the Hulk is not a Defender, because he punishes everybody, not just those who attack "other party members." By your definition, well, it's unclear whether the Hulk is a Defender or not. It depends on the offense/defense ratio of everyone else in the party. If there are any glass cannons around then the Hulk is still not a Defender, because the incentive is to knock out the glass cannon instead of the Hulk, whom you can't knock out anyway.By your definition, glass cannons are Defenders. I'm asking where your definition comes from.</blockquote>