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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6509507" data-attributes="member: 6688277">For the record I'm not making that claim – IMO the two games were designed differently,  however 5e did borrow certain ideas from 4e, given what the designers were trying to achieve with this edition. @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=48965" target="_blank">Imaro</a> and myself have answered on the healing capabilities and various options available so far with the fighter so I won’t repeat it here which I understand would be a bug and not a feature for those that prefer 4e’s playstyle (more on that below). When it comes to AoE, the problem I find you have is, you are comparing granular mechanics of 4e powers to 5e abilities, when in reality you should be comparing 5e abilities to a 5e game and drawing the conclusion as to whether the Fighter’s AoE are adequate in the 5e game.  If one seeks to identify 4e roles in 5e, I believe one will. I don’t believe the 4e roles are nearly as important in 5e as they were in 4e –and that is due to the embedded mechanics of 4e. You keep judging 5e through your 4e lens instead of appreciating the game afresh. That is why, I believe, you make comments regarding specific fighter powers and then trying to emulate or find them in 5e and become despondent when you cannot find them.  Actually I believe the huge design breakthrough derives from the increased niche protection and it doesn’t feel like everyone can do the same thing. So the 5e Fighter is not given the permission to outscream-heal the Cleric. Selecting a Cleric or Fighter is now a hard choice. So the 5e Fighter cannot perform his once a day salsa-spinning-blade attack slicing 12 opponents anymore or play Simon-says moving 6 people to the left and only the Wizard can do this with his arcane spells. Selecting a Fighter or Wizard is now a hard choice.   So in that sense, I guess you could say 5e is more limiting, less versatile given the options available for all PC classes in 4e (but it is still early days of 5e design). On the other hand 5e delivers better in areas where 4e delivers poorly. 4e reminded me of V:tes (the vampire masquerade card game) towards the end, when all the vampire disciplines could mimic every other vampire discipline with regards to intercept, stealth, aggravated damage, combat actions, damage prevention. IMO, "samey-powers" do nothing but make otherwise interesting choices, boring.</blockquote>

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