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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6509861" data-attributes="member: 67338">I stand by my assessment, the inspiration was the comic book thing. 5e still has basic roles... but we have long sense moved past any argument, and moved to talking past each other. Because the roles are not the exact same word for word AND hard coded, doesn't mean you can't see those role or being labled such would not be a benfit.  some of us disagree...the fact that you don't HAVE to be a defender is not in question. same as above.see this is the disconnect. If you aren't forced into a role, that doesn't mean that role is all of a sudden not there.but you see those roles still exists, and you can pick between them.  and this falls into my statement from last week... "the 4e roles were only a good start, we can improve them by creating new ones, including non combat roles"I even had hoped during the playtest that we could mix and match much better then we can. 5e should not mirror 4e, it should take what 4e did and build apon it, make it better.</blockquote>