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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PaulO." data-source="post: 6510037" data-attributes="member: 97079">I think we are talking about different things.I don't know what exactly you think a "controller" is. You said you didn't play a wizard in 4E, because of that label. I have no clue what you're talking about. Apparently that word carries a meaning with you that it does not with me. I'm sorry, I just don't get it. I never played a Wizard, but I did play a Psion/Warlord some and enjoyed him quite a bit. My issue was more to do with the idea that a Ranger, being martial striker, meant he didn't have access to a lot of traditional Ranger stuff. Is that what you mean? Do you feel like Fighter or Wizard were lacking a particular style, theme, or mechanic that was present in older editions or other traditional fantasy RPGs?Do you want a pure Fighter to be a "controller"?</blockquote>