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<blockquote data-quote="Nergal Pendragon" data-source="post: 6511893" data-attributes="member: 6777649"><p>Okay, I understand where you are coming from.</p><p></p><p>I will say that, yes, I believe any given character <em>can</em> fulfill any given role in combat, <em>but</em> that if they are not built for that roll it can be extremely difficult. It is possible to have a fighter in the Basic rules act as a controller, but he's going to majorly suck at it. Just like a 4E fighter could be built to fill the controller role, but would still majorly suck at it.</p><p></p><p>That said, fulfilling a role <em>and being effective at it</em> is an entirely different matter; no, it is not possible for any given character to do that under normal circumstances. I can sit here and cite special circumstances until our grandchildren die of old age that show it is possible, but I believe you are talking about in general. And in general... no, it is not possible.</p><p></p><p>If you go back and look at my posts much earlier in this thread, you will see me saying that at any given time characters I played with could fill any given role; this is true, but that's because we as a roleplaying group would often intentionally set up the special circumstances that made it possible for classes like the rogue to play roles like defender. Thus, why it is I can give you an answer now that contradicts that earlier stance without actually changing my stance or actually contradicting what I said.</p><p></p><p>Now, that any given class can fulfill any given role? That I definitely agree with. And it has been my stance all along. I don't disagree it was possible in 4E; in fact, I think 4E's greatest problem is that it gave the illusion it's not possible. I can see several ways to play the 4E wizard as a striker or a defender with ease. It's all in how you apply your magical firepower <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nergal Pendragon, post: 6511893, member: 6777649"] Okay, I understand where you are coming from. I will say that, yes, I believe any given character [i]can[/i] fulfill any given role in combat, [i]but[/i] that if they are not built for that roll it can be extremely difficult. It is possible to have a fighter in the Basic rules act as a controller, but he's going to majorly suck at it. Just like a 4E fighter could be built to fill the controller role, but would still majorly suck at it. That said, fulfilling a role [i]and being effective at it[/i] is an entirely different matter; no, it is not possible for any given character to do that under normal circumstances. I can sit here and cite special circumstances until our grandchildren die of old age that show it is possible, but I believe you are talking about in general. And in general... no, it is not possible. If you go back and look at my posts much earlier in this thread, you will see me saying that at any given time characters I played with could fill any given role; this is true, but that's because we as a roleplaying group would often intentionally set up the special circumstances that made it possible for classes like the rogue to play roles like defender. Thus, why it is I can give you an answer now that contradicts that earlier stance without actually changing my stance or actually contradicting what I said. Now, that any given class can fulfill any given role? That I definitely agree with. And it has been my stance all along. I don't disagree it was possible in 4E; in fact, I think 4E's greatest problem is that it gave the illusion it's not possible. I can see several ways to play the 4E wizard as a striker or a defender with ease. It's all in how you apply your magical firepower ;) [/QUOTE]
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