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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6512610" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Then I'm not sure I'm following you.  When people talk about roles in the 4e context, they're talking about how 4e clearly defined for you that if you were class X, your role was Y.  5e isn't like that at all.  So when you say that a 5e character is doing a 4e role, that's throwing people off.  Well, me at least.  Because the concept of "striker, defender, etc" isn't new to 4e, so they aren't really 4e only roles if you're talking about general concepts only.  When you say a 5e character is doing a 4e role, I'm thinking you mean a role as how 4e defined them.  Which is not an accurate comparison because a fighter in 5e is not always a defender as 4e describes it.</p></blockquote><p></p>