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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6513853" data-attributes="member: 67338">um... who said anything about DPR? you know what makes wizards far more powerful and complex... it isn't damage, it's options...It's only Ironic when in a discussion (and I use the term loosely at this point) with people who disrespect one edition of another... because again, in the 4e form I would be considered a h4ter for wanting 4e to change and be better. so I will again say this: Every edition has it's ups and downs... I have barely touched 5e yet, so I will hold off on it... You just HATE 4e so much that anyone who says "Hey X and Y where good" looks like the worlds largest 4e fan next to you.What 5e could learn from BOTH 4e and 3e is to give a better more fleshed out series of maneuvers to the combat classes, ones useable more then everyonce in a while... Likeing the 3.5 Warblade and the 4e core fighter does not mean I am "Some editions ar better than others" it means "SOme editions DID this or that better then this other one." during the playtest I was pushing for the 2e wizard, the 3e warlock, the 4e warlord, and the 3.5 warblade to all be represented in 5e... I also liked the idea of 3e prestige classes over 4e paragon paths. I even suggested putting race/prestige class so if you want to play a DWARF, or ELF as a class you could... I like Pathfinder's skill system better too. I also liked the 3.5 artificer and the 3.0 psionic classes. I wanted to split the rogue combat (skimisher) and the rogue skill monkey/rp stuff so you could play either or (maybe rename the combat end swash buckler) I also wanted a warror gish class like the ranger or paliden... my suggestion was to mix 3.5 dusk blade with 4e swordmage and pathfinder magus... I also suggested combining Defensives and saves, replace AC with toughness def, Reflex Def and Mental Def, then make the saves Will Save and Fort Save... I liked the HD mechanic but wished the healing spells keyed off it more (aka instead of cure light healing 1d8 it healed 1HD of target+wis mod of caster)so yea, I think that I can claim to be pretty spread in my D&D preference... the fact that I like 4e in no way discounts my ability to like D&D in general...</blockquote>

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