Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6520820" data-attributes="member: 957">I'm sorry,  but you are not really addressing anything I'm saying here.First, again, I don't accept you putting terms on my experience.That aside, if you say you experience immersion in poker while playing checkers, or you say you hate checkers but feel immersion in checkers while not doing it, so be it.  I think these positions are quite odd, but that make no difference to me or the actual point I'm making.  There is an aspect of what makes RPGs fun to me ( and a lot of other people) that you are clearly failing to grasp and you keep substituting other things into the conversation that defeat making any progress.So you take issue when you claim that I have falsely described your experience.  Then you describe MY experience and when I say "no, that is not right" you tell me that this is an un-compelling argument.OK.Like I've said several times now.    You can't get anywhere with closed minded presumptions.This is a thread in the 5E board.  It has certainly derailed several times over.  But there is a constant theme and that is (roughly and in simple terms) "how things in 5E (and other editions) are perceived and enjoyed by people who dislike the 4E analogs of those things".  There is a long stream of replies from the pro-4E side that repeatedly insert the 4E versions as not analogs, but as the exact same thing in all manners of perception and experience.  And if that were true it would be non-sense for anyone to take exception to them in 4E and yet enjoy them in other editions.  And the 4E fans seem to take this point and run with it, proclaiming other opinions to be nonsense by this reasoning.  And yet the very fact that it happens is proof (at least to any reasonable view of popular opinion and market acceptance) that the logic fails because the founding presumption of equivalence is in error.  If you want to talk about 4E things purely from a 4E perspective then it seems to me that you should go to a 4E forum.   You are welcome to bring your 4E perspective to the 5E forums, but you need to accept that differences in perspective will be quite important to advancing the conversation.Lastly: though I still reject your use of the term "flow", I strongly reject your statement regarding what I "cannot find".    The point of the conversation is about what provides the greatest fun and maximum satisfaction from the gaming experience.</blockquote>

Verification