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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6521013" data-attributes="member: 87792">Because you have not made one single thing showing how it is different. And you are rejecting my experiences out of hand. You are describing a flow like state using words people would use to describe flow in a situation people would expect to find flow and nothing at all saying it is different.Your actual point appears to be a straw man.[Citation Needed]The experiences are clearly in detail different because there are different rules. And I personally on this thread have mentioned ways they are different.But. There's a difference between "different" and "fundamentally different". If we take a British driver in a British car and drop them onto the roads in America they are going to struggle badly at first. You drive on the wrong side of the road. Your sign markings are different. Therefore the experience driving in America is different from the one driving in Britain. The question is whether they are fundamentally different, whether the differences are a matter of acclimitisation, or whether it's a mixture of the two (for instance sticking a British motorcyclist in an American car in America).There is legitimate basis for disliking 4e. Most 4e fans will admit so in a public forum. Anyone who thinks that 4e combat is on the snappy side is ... weird. Anyone who thinks that 4e is a great dungeon crawling game needs to look at BECMI or Torchbearer (4e is a terrible dungeon crawler). In short your insinuation that 4e fans claim there is no legitimate basis for disliking 4e is at best representative of a tiny faction of 4e fans (are there any in this thread?)This does not mean that all reasons for disliking 4e are valid. Hence my Turkish Coffee analogy earlier. If you claim to like a mocha and not a Turkish Coffee because of the mocha's added chocolate that's a sensible reason. If you claim to not like Turkish Coffee because it's made with coffee beans while you are drinking a mocha that's simply wrong. Something else must be the issue.Do you claim that all reasons people state for disliking 4e are automatically legitimate? Or should we look at them and see if they are accurate? And who exactly are you claiming says there are no reasons for disliking 4e?You talk the talk about saying that 4e is a great game at what it does - but I'm curious as to what you actually think it does and doesn't do?Except that I was quoting your reply to me. So your claim that it wasn't is rather redundant.There is a massive difference to our approach. I work on the basis that working out where else we see things is useful.</blockquote>

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