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<blockquote data-quote="Eirikrautha" data-source="post: 6528658" data-attributes="member: 6777843"><p>Find me a single dictionary definition of "leader" that includes the act of healing or "supporting" others. Leader means leading others, giving orders and directions, telling them what to do. No one EVER (in my 35+ years playing this game) referred to the "role" of a cleric as a "leader" before 4e. Clerics might have been called healers, front-liners, or even undead-handlers. But they were not leaders, any more than any other character was. Their class defined their combat role, inasmuch as there were some things that a cleric could do that other classes couldn't. But beyond the ability to turn or heal, a cleric could be as much of a tank as a fighter.</p><p></p><p>Semantics matters. Terming something a combat "leader" (even if you then invent your own definition of leader) does nothing but limit the role, not describe it. The primary complaint against 4e roles in 5e is not that you can't use them, but that they are not necessary and only serve to artificially limit what a player might do with a particular character in play. Roles are only useful in games where intricate character building is part of the mechanics, because the bonuses in play radically limit the possibility of success for characters behaving out of build. 5e's bounded accuracy minimizes this mechanic, leaving many more options open for characters. So roles become tactical choices that vary from situation to situation or even round to round in 5e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eirikrautha, post: 6528658, member: 6777843"] Find me a single dictionary definition of "leader" that includes the act of healing or "supporting" others. Leader means leading others, giving orders and directions, telling them what to do. No one EVER (in my 35+ years playing this game) referred to the "role" of a cleric as a "leader" before 4e. Clerics might have been called healers, front-liners, or even undead-handlers. But they were not leaders, any more than any other character was. Their class defined their combat role, inasmuch as there were some things that a cleric could do that other classes couldn't. But beyond the ability to turn or heal, a cleric could be as much of a tank as a fighter. Semantics matters. Terming something a combat "leader" (even if you then invent your own definition of leader) does nothing but limit the role, not describe it. The primary complaint against 4e roles in 5e is not that you can't use them, but that they are not necessary and only serve to artificially limit what a player might do with a particular character in play. Roles are only useful in games where intricate character building is part of the mechanics, because the bonuses in play radically limit the possibility of success for characters behaving out of build. 5e's bounded accuracy minimizes this mechanic, leaving many more options open for characters. So roles become tactical choices that vary from situation to situation or even round to round in 5e. [/QUOTE]
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