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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6528895" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>This is COMPLETELY different. </p><p></p><p>The mechanics making the game actually work one way and the author telling you how you SHOULD work the game another way are not the same thing. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but it did make them vastly more heavy handed. And just as you like to drop Gygax quotes regarding AD&D, I've already pointed out where Collins openly described this for 4E. (and he WAS talkign about mechanics, not what was "poor play" on the players part.)</p><p>I love the contribution all the early flavors of D&D brought to the table. But "modern" gaming has evolved and (IMO) significantly improved from that time. If TTRPGs had not progressed beyond AD&D and you brought me a copy of 4E one day, I suspect I'd be quite content with it. If I'd never seen any RPG before in my life and you showed me 4E, I'd be blown away. But in either case if you brought me 3E or 5E (or many other modern games) two months later, my 4E playing days would end very quickly.</p><p></p><p>When talking about how modern players perceive 4E, you can't take it out of the context of other games. It is probably true that there are a lot of people who used to love AD&D, then loved 3E and hated 4E. And when you talk to them they will speak well of both games they loved. But their memory of AD&D is often blurred by nostalgia.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6528895, member: 957"] This is COMPLETELY different. The mechanics making the game actually work one way and the author telling you how you SHOULD work the game another way are not the same thing. True, but it did make them vastly more heavy handed. And just as you like to drop Gygax quotes regarding AD&D, I've already pointed out where Collins openly described this for 4E. (and he WAS talkign about mechanics, not what was "poor play" on the players part.) I love the contribution all the early flavors of D&D brought to the table. But "modern" gaming has evolved and (IMO) significantly improved from that time. If TTRPGs had not progressed beyond AD&D and you brought me a copy of 4E one day, I suspect I'd be quite content with it. If I'd never seen any RPG before in my life and you showed me 4E, I'd be blown away. But in either case if you brought me 3E or 5E (or many other modern games) two months later, my 4E playing days would end very quickly. When talking about how modern players perceive 4E, you can't take it out of the context of other games. It is probably true that there are a lot of people who used to love AD&D, then loved 3E and hated 4E. And when you talk to them they will speak well of both games they loved. But their memory of AD&D is often blurred by nostalgia. [/QUOTE]
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