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<blockquote data-quote="Eric V" data-source="post: 6528904" data-attributes="member: 6779717"><p>Seriously. If people are resorting to this, maybe all that can be said about this has been said?</p><p></p><p>Having perused the thread off and on for its entirety, it seems it comes down to which parts of the written rules people feel comfortable adhering to or not. For some, one can make a great archer in 4e by going ranger, but they simply cannot countenance putting the word "ranger" in the section for class on their character sheet; it has to read "fighter" for them, because the word "ranger" evokes a different image, <em>regardless</em> that the mechanics don't match that image. Similarly, people take the idea of 4e roles that way: yes, one can build a great damage-dealing fighter, but because it has the word "defender" in its description it throws people off.</p><p></p><p>Not every class can do everything. That has been a true fact since at least 1e. Doesn't stop you from playing a party of rogues, but you're going to face problems without the DM offering things in the narrative to shore up where your party is lacking. If some classes are better (in some cases, way better) than at some things than others, then that is where the roles in the party start to get defined. It really is as simple as that. I guess some people got really offended, when WotC had the audacity to try to capture some of that with titles like "defender".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric V, post: 6528904, member: 6779717"] Seriously. If people are resorting to this, maybe all that can be said about this has been said? Having perused the thread off and on for its entirety, it seems it comes down to which parts of the written rules people feel comfortable adhering to or not. For some, one can make a great archer in 4e by going ranger, but they simply cannot countenance putting the word "ranger" in the section for class on their character sheet; it has to read "fighter" for them, because the word "ranger" evokes a different image, [I]regardless[/I] that the mechanics don't match that image. Similarly, people take the idea of 4e roles that way: yes, one can build a great damage-dealing fighter, but because it has the word "defender" in its description it throws people off. Not every class can do everything. That has been a true fact since at least 1e. Doesn't stop you from playing a party of rogues, but you're going to face problems without the DM offering things in the narrative to shore up where your party is lacking. If some classes are better (in some cases, way better) than at some things than others, then that is where the roles in the party start to get defined. It really is as simple as that. I guess some people got really offended, when WotC had the audacity to try to capture some of that with titles like "defender". [/QUOTE]
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