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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6529845" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>and this is why the above was very relevant... if you like something and can say X Y and Z you will never understand people who claim X Y and Z are not there... and on the flip side if you hate something (notice the word hate is spelled out here) because X Y and Z aren't in it then no one will ever convince you that they were there and you missed it.</p><p></p><p>part of the problem is that love/hate and like/dislike are not even... if you just dislike something but don't hate it you can enter into a discussion just fine, onece you hate something your blinders are on... the opposite is worse, you don't have to love something to be just as set in your ways... you can just like it.</p><p> they can like or dislike something all they want, what they can not do is make factual statements based on there opinion, especially when it is antagnostic to those who like it... </p><p></p><p></p><p>my rebuttal was that taken as you said it is meaningless... it was not a childish rebuttal at all, although it was partially to try to be humorous. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> yes, and very little respect with it... telling someone that something they don't like is really good can cause problems... on the other hand telling someone something they like or love sucks or is wrong is almost always a problem...</p><p></p><p> yes... when people came to the 4e board and dissed 4e it was strong, notice it was not when people where on the 3e or pathfinder threads...</p><p></p><p></p><p>no, but the oppiste is equally true... no one can say "4e was the game for everyone" or "4e was the game that sucked the most" but what we can do is talk about our experences without dismissing others...</p><p></p><p>try this, if someone says that something you do and love to do sucks, and the reason is it works like X, when in your experience X isn't true at all... how does that work in your mind?</p><p></p><p>Humans have this habit of being self agreeing. "Well I don't like X" then when they try X they pick up confurmation... the discion was not based on the experience, but what they brought to it...</p><p></p><p> </p><p>ok, sorry to hear that, it delivered most of what I want in a game. I am upset that 5e is not so far doing as well for me, how about we try to bridge the discussion into "How can we both be happy?"</p><p></p><p> and if wishes where horses....</p><p> you mean like I have been out right tol in the last 80 or so pages...</p><p></p><p>.</p><p>please give an example... the closest I can find is my solution of "Let the mechanics fall in the background and run the game the same way you did every other edition..."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>please quote these people who miss spell hater with a 4, so far it seems to me to only be people who dislike 4e and who are holding that up.</p><p></p><p></p><p> no one is surprised that a vocal minority are taking pot shots at an edition... any edition....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6529845, member: 67338"] and this is why the above was very relevant... if you like something and can say X Y and Z you will never understand people who claim X Y and Z are not there... and on the flip side if you hate something (notice the word hate is spelled out here) because X Y and Z aren't in it then no one will ever convince you that they were there and you missed it. part of the problem is that love/hate and like/dislike are not even... if you just dislike something but don't hate it you can enter into a discussion just fine, onece you hate something your blinders are on... the opposite is worse, you don't have to love something to be just as set in your ways... you can just like it. they can like or dislike something all they want, what they can not do is make factual statements based on there opinion, especially when it is antagnostic to those who like it... my rebuttal was that taken as you said it is meaningless... it was not a childish rebuttal at all, although it was partially to try to be humorous. yes, and very little respect with it... telling someone that something they don't like is really good can cause problems... on the other hand telling someone something they like or love sucks or is wrong is almost always a problem... yes... when people came to the 4e board and dissed 4e it was strong, notice it was not when people where on the 3e or pathfinder threads... no, but the oppiste is equally true... no one can say "4e was the game for everyone" or "4e was the game that sucked the most" but what we can do is talk about our experences without dismissing others... try this, if someone says that something you do and love to do sucks, and the reason is it works like X, when in your experience X isn't true at all... how does that work in your mind? Humans have this habit of being self agreeing. "Well I don't like X" then when they try X they pick up confurmation... the discion was not based on the experience, but what they brought to it... ok, sorry to hear that, it delivered most of what I want in a game. I am upset that 5e is not so far doing as well for me, how about we try to bridge the discussion into "How can we both be happy?" and if wishes where horses.... you mean like I have been out right tol in the last 80 or so pages... . please give an example... the closest I can find is my solution of "Let the mechanics fall in the background and run the game the same way you did every other edition..." please quote these people who miss spell hater with a 4, so far it seems to me to only be people who dislike 4e and who are holding that up. no one is surprised that a vocal minority are taking pot shots at an edition... any edition.... [/QUOTE]
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