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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6532878" data-attributes="member: 42582">Can you quote Gygax saying this? I've just quoted multiple sentences where he says something different. He says that class is a significant determiner of role, but he doesn't say that each class has a unique role.In fact, he groups multiple classes as having the same role: MU and illusionist, and cleric and druid. I quoted the relevant passages not very far upthread.In respect of MU and illusionist I think his remarks somewhat elide the fact that an illusionist doesn't have the artillery dimension that an MU has. (In 4e terms, an illusionist is a controller but not a ranged striker.) In respect of the cleric and druid, as I explained upthread, I think his remarks elide the fact that a druid is somewhat intermediate between a cleric and a MU.Part of why I didn't quote his remarks about the ranger and paladin is because they add very little to his remarks about the fighter: all three classes have the same role, of being good at combat, especially hand-to-hand combat, in virtue of good AC, high hit points and a wide-ranging weapon selection.</blockquote>