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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6532912" data-attributes="member: 42582">I've played hundreds, probably thousands, of hours of AD&D. And nearly that much B/X. I don't need a patronising lecture on how those earlier versions of the game play.But if you think that AD&D 2nd ed's organising of classes into "four core types" is some sort of radical contrast with 4e's organisation of classes into "fore core types", please elaborate.Though, as far as combat roles are concerned, I think that 4e's categories are more accurate. If you are implying that the druid and cleric play the same role in melee combat in AD&D, then you are at odds with Gygax, who (as I quoted) observes that the druid is generally weaker in melee than the cleric, due to poor armour. If you are implying that the 2nd ed bard plays the same in combat as the 2nd ed thief, then you are ignoring that the bard has spells, and no backstab, and so in fact plays a completely different role in combat from the thief.My interest in 4e is (i) playing it, (ii) discussing on message boards some of the ways in which it plays (strengths, weaknesses, feasible techniques, etc) and (iii) responding to people who try to tell me that because I enjoy 4e I hate D&D, am not an RPGer but a boardgamer, etc.You apparently regard it as self-evident that 4e is some wild departure from AD&D. I do not. For me, 4e delivers what I enjoyed about the AD&D play experience while getting rid of stuff that, for me, did not make for a fun game. It is continuous with AD&D, not discontinuous.When I rebuilt my favourite AD&D character in 4e, there was no loss of fidelity. If anything, the character (a fighter/cleric type, rebuilt as a 4e paladin with warlord multi-class) became a truer version of himself.See, by this you are implying that I am not part of WotC's audience. But on what basis? I'm guessing that over the past 5 years I've purchased more WotC products than you have!Once you recognise that I like D&D - if I didn't, why would I be posting on a D&D message board? - I think my posts might make more sense to you.And if you want to see what I think a fun D&D game looks like, I am happy to point you to my actual play posts. (I'm pretty sure I have more actual play posts on these boards than anyone else participating in this thread.)</blockquote>

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