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<blockquote data-quote="Rejuvenator" data-source="post: 6533198" data-attributes="member: 6781913">Calling them &quot;a bunch of yahoos&quot; sounds like a personal insult. The &quot;your game sucks&quot; sounds like unnecessary exaggeration to me, but otherwise yes,&nbsp; a lot of people deny there are &quot;roles&quot; in 5E, in which &quot;roles&quot; refers to an overt 4E-style mechanical chassis for character design as well as describing expected patterns of tactical behavior for PCs in combat.If a 5E player rejects that, then yes, maybe it's because they think 4E &quot;sucks&quot; for having it, but why should the 4E player care? How does that opinion infringe on your game play?If the argument is articulated more reasonably (and concisely!) that watered-down fragments of 4E roles are perceived to exist in 5E, then that's a different discussion. It's hard to dispute people's perceptions (if that's what you see, then you see it). But I'd suspect it's incidental to incorporating certain game design elements from 4E, and not an intentional function of embracing the 4E role philosophy as such.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rejuvenator, post: 6533198, member: 6781913"] Calling them "a bunch of yahoos" sounds like a personal insult. The "your game sucks" sounds like unnecessary exaggeration to me, but otherwise yes, a lot of people deny there are "roles" in 5E, in which "roles" refers to an overt 4E-style mechanical chassis for character design as well as describing expected patterns of tactical behavior for PCs in combat. If a 5E player rejects that, then yes, maybe it's because they think 4E "sucks" for having it, but why should the 4E player care? How does that opinion infringe on [I]your[/I] game play? If the argument is articulated more reasonably (and concisely!) that watered-down fragments of 4E roles are perceived to exist in 5E, then that's a different discussion. It's hard to dispute people's perceptions (if that's what you see, then you see it). But I'd suspect it's incidental to incorporating certain game design elements from 4E, and not an intentional function of embracing the 4E role philosophy as such. [/QUOTE]

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