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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6536945" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>This is correct. Page 206, "Weave of Magic" sidebar, third paragraph: "All magic depends on the Weave, though different kinds of magic access it in different ways. The spells of wizards, warlocks, sorcerers, and bards are commonly called <strong>arcane magic</strong>. These spells rely on understanding--learned or intuitive--of the workings of the Weave. The caster plucks directly at the strands of the Weave to create the desired effect. Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters also use arcane magic. The spells of clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers are called <strong>divine magic</strong>. These spellcasters' access to the Weave is mediated by divine power--gods, the divine forces of nature, or the weight of a sacred oath." Emphasis in original. 5e explicitly calls magic gained through study, personal intuition, or revealed secrets "arcane," and Bards are <em>repeatedly</em> said to gain their magic from studying, practicing, etc. It involves no oaths, clearly does not come from the divine forces of nature, and isn't provided by a god, so it cannot be divine as defined in 5e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And, likewise, there are examples in fiction where priests <em>don't actually have magic at all</em>, unless they also happen to be actual mages who have studied mortal magic. Dragon Age, for example; all magic there comes from being connected to the Fade and is linked to lyrium, and while there may be priests who can use magic, that just means they are Mages by talent and Priests by training.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6536945, member: 6790260"] This is correct. Page 206, "Weave of Magic" sidebar, third paragraph: "All magic depends on the Weave, though different kinds of magic access it in different ways. The spells of wizards, warlocks, sorcerers, and bards are commonly called [B]arcane magic[/B]. These spells rely on understanding--learned or intuitive--of the workings of the Weave. The caster plucks directly at the strands of the Weave to create the desired effect. Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters also use arcane magic. The spells of clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers are called [B]divine magic[/B]. These spellcasters' access to the Weave is mediated by divine power--gods, the divine forces of nature, or the weight of a sacred oath." Emphasis in original. 5e explicitly calls magic gained through study, personal intuition, or revealed secrets "arcane," and Bards are [I]repeatedly[/I] said to gain their magic from studying, practicing, etc. It involves no oaths, clearly does not come from the divine forces of nature, and isn't provided by a god, so it cannot be divine as defined in 5e. And, likewise, there are examples in fiction where priests [I]don't actually have magic at all[/I], unless they also happen to be actual mages who have studied mortal magic. Dragon Age, for example; all magic there comes from being connected to the Fade and is linked to lyrium, and while there may be priests who can use magic, that just means they are Mages by talent and Priests by training. [/QUOTE]
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