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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6541388" data-attributes="member: 957">Interesting parsing of the topic.&nbsp; I've been involved in this thread quite a bit and the &quot;how mechanics work&quot; and FEEL and who buys what are&nbsp; (aka &quot;who likes what based on how it actually works for them&quot;)&nbsp; have been quite tied together.I'm not going to play the Gygax quoting game with you.My point is not that people ignored rules.&nbsp; My point is that people using the rules had experiences that directly contradict the experiences you are strongly implying the rules dictate.&nbsp; But guidelines, suggestions, and specific rules taken out of the full context of gameplay fail to capture that experience.Again you are ignoring the experience and trying to win the word games.4E did a very poor job of capturing the feel of other editions *as experienced by myself and many other people*.&nbsp; This does not dispute that many people found 4E to do a BETTER job of delivering the experiences they enjoyed.&nbsp; But suggesting that it comes to down ignoring rules is just completely disingenuous.&nbsp; Perhaps GMforPowerGamers should chastise you for just being intentionally disagreeable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Because grasping the concept is something you consistently go out of your way to avoid.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6541388, member: 957"] Interesting parsing of the topic. I've been involved in this thread quite a bit and the "how mechanics work" and FEEL and who buys what are (aka "who likes what based on how it actually works for them") have been quite tied together. I'm not going to play the Gygax quoting game with you. My point is not that people ignored rules. My point is that people using the rules had experiences that directly contradict the experiences you are strongly implying the rules dictate. But guidelines, suggestions, and specific rules taken out of the full context of gameplay fail to capture that experience. Again you are ignoring the experience and trying to win the word games. 4E did a very poor job of capturing the feel of other editions *as experienced by myself and many other people*. This does not dispute that many people found 4E to do a BETTER job of delivering the experiences they enjoyed. But suggesting that it comes to down ignoring rules is just completely disingenuous. Perhaps GMforPowerGamers should chastise you for just being intentionally disagreeable. Because grasping the concept is something you consistently go out of your way to avoid. [/QUOTE]

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