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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6541442" data-attributes="member: 15700">The quote I was responding to was talking about Basic D&D.  Not 4e.Um, no, not really.  If you have a charmed NPC, how does that count as control vs any other encounter?  It's not summoning because you didn't summon anything.  You were dependent on a charmable creature being there.  And once the charming has happened, you're not doing any sort of control for any other encounter thereafter.  You simply have an extra body to help you out, in a myriad of ways.  You're not actually prohibiting or forcing (key requirements of controlling) the enemies in any way.  All you're doing is giving them another target to hit (if they choose), and another body to attack them.  That is not control.  You're bending over pretty far to try to get these scenarios to fit your definitions, but they don't.  Control means just that.  If you're not impacting the enemy or the environment in any way, shape, or form, that isn't control.I'm beginning to think you haven't even been around in the 70s and early 80s, nor actually read any of those magazines.  They quite clearly, and sometimes explicitly, say that magic users were modeled after literary wizards, including Gandalf and Merlin.  Heck, in the early Dragon issues, there was even a flamewar (as well as one can be with snail mail in the letters section) about just what level Gandalf was as a magic user.  I have literally never seen a Dragon article or supplement that put Gandalf's primary class as a cleric.  Even Merlin's highest class is a magic user, and not druid, in AD&D.  Christ, Gandalf was a wizard, which is a title for a magic user once 11th level is reached, not a cleric.</blockquote>

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