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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6541780" data-attributes="member: 22779">Two points.  First, because he needs the feats to counter the -2 for cover (shooting into melee draws that lots of times) which negates the +2 he has for Fighting Style.  And, because he needs feats, he doesn't get stat bonuses, so, where is this maxed Dex coming from?  He's going to have a 15 Dex at 1st level (presuming he gets Sharpshooter) while my fighter has a 16.  Stat boost at 3rd for 16 while I get 17 and 18 at 6th.  So, basically, you've got +1 to hit and I've got +1 to damage most of the time.  And that's assuming Human.  Of course, now we're limiting what kind of archery fighter we can have, so, we shouldn't do that should we?Free action to drop the bow.  Shield takes one action to put on, so you just lost a whole round while you switched from bow to shield.  And you had to drop your bow.  Hope you didn't want to shoot again in this combat.Well, the -2 to most of your ranged attacks are pretty prohibitive.  Never minding of course that you don't actually threaten any squares around you while holding a bow, meaning no Opportunity Attacks.Not necessarily weaker.  Just less versatile.  Only while giving up a round of attacks mind you, but sure.  Attack as many times?  Yes, actually.  At least until 10th level.  There's no difference in number of attacks between a ranger and a fighter until 10th and at 11th, the ranger gets volley.  Potentially 16x2 attacks (although that would be EXTREMELY rare).  Note, again, you're now forcing me to take a battle master fighter to be a ranged fighter.  I thought the point here was that any fighter could be a ranged fighter.  Isn't that what you meant?  Or was it simply that you could write a kind of fighter on the top of the sheet, so long as it's any kind of fighter?Because, let's not forget, there's nothing your archer battle master can do that my melee battle master can't.  But, which are you comparing?  Fighter or Ranger?  You kind of switched things mid stream.Anyway, my point is, your "demonstration" might convince you.  Fair enough.  I'd expect that.  But it's hardly a done thing.  It's very questionable./edit to add.Let's not forget that the melee guys are hardly inconvenienced at range.  Throwing axes use Str and work at most encounter ranges.  I'd say that my melee fighter is every bit as versatile as your ranged fighter.  I don't have to lose actions switching schticks.  I can move, chuck axes, at the same rate that you shoot the bow, and for similar damage (slightly less, 1 point on average) and still don't have to worry about not being armed.</blockquote>

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