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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6542522" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Well let's see...(emphasis mine) How is that not saying that 4e is not a good game?See, here's the thing. I can name probably five overall fantasy game systems that aren't D&D or essentially the exact same mechanics recapitulated (DW, WoD, Exalted, 13A, and...Warhammer) Add PF in, even though it's still basically 3e at its core, and that's six. Throw in maybe LL and S&W for the old school love. If 4e is so not-good-enough that it wouldn't even be in your top 10, is it any wonder that I think you think it's not good, since you apparently think it's worse than two games I don't even know about?And as for your apparent repeated statements of the awesomeness of 4e for its style? I haven't seen you say that once during my participation in this thread. If you said it prior to my reading, I would have no idea. I have not, prior to this post, seen anything which suggested at the time that you had all that many positive thoughts about 4e.No, I'm not. I welcome criticism of 4e: its combat can be ponderous, its presentation was all wrong, it didn't think enough about balancing non-combat resources until far too late, and it occasionally didn't go far enough in slaying sacred cows (low-skill Fighters, for example). I don't welcome people saying it's a boardgame when it isn't, and I don't welcome people saying it is, and I quote, "not nearly as good as other games on the market."</blockquote>

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