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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6547857" data-attributes="member: 87792">And I supported the well discussed case; it was being discussed as far back as Dragon #5 - with me linking a copy of the editorial about Gandalf being a fifth level wizard. Pemerton has cited White Dwarf. Every argument about realism and every statement Gygax made against realism was part of the discussion that D&amp;D was written to be D&amp;D and not much else. You can pretend they didn't happen all you like. But it was certainly discussed. Most common, you are right.This is just more of your standard schtick of &quot;I know in the abstract that other gamers exist and I'm happy to make noises acknowledging this - but I don't want to know what they want, how, or why. And I'm going to duck any conversations that might possibly point out the advantages of other modes of play and even when such was extremely well discussed I'm going to ignore it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6547857, member: 87792"] And I supported the well discussed case; it was being discussed as far back as Dragon #5 - with me linking a copy of the editorial about Gandalf being a fifth level wizard. Pemerton has cited White Dwarf. Every argument about realism and every statement Gygax made against realism was part of the discussion that D&D was written to be D&D and not much else. You can pretend they didn't happen all you like. But it was certainly discussed. Most common, you are right. This is just more of your standard schtick of "I know in the abstract that other gamers exist and I'm happy to make noises acknowledging this - but I don't want to know what they want, how, or why. And I'm going to duck any conversations that might possibly point out the advantages of other modes of play and even when such was extremely well discussed I'm going to ignore it. [/QUOTE]

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