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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9772803" data-attributes="member: 2209">Yeah, I expect there were examples of it and that he found multiple instances of it in his interviews and observations.I still find it a jump to the Danielson reported conclusion that sexual violence was often integral to the gaming."Men in private gaming groups often expressed an explicit and violent male chauvinism.  Fine detailed the violent actions verbally role-played by gamers through their fictional characters but says that violent role-playing does not indicate violent real-world behavior and may even have therapeutic value by providing an outlet for aggression.  This type of role-playing meant that sexual violence and misogyny often (but not always) became integral to the gaming, and Fine himself observed the frequent use of rape and violence against female nonplayer characters encountered during gaming sessions, as well as sexist jokes."I guess it comes down to how "often" is understood or how broadly misogyny is defined or how much it is misogyny versus sexual violence. Is often taken as unfortunately high given the subject, or does it mean majority?I see roleplaying violence as common then and now and can easily see considering it integral to the gaming as it is a big part of the default game play, the game mechanics, and the baseline action fantasy. It synchs up with expectations easily.Sexual violence, and not just as a background element but the frequent active rape of NPCs during game sessions to the point that it is considered integral to the gaming just seems counter to both my experience of all male gaming in the 80s and what seems reasonable to expect. I could see some making that a regular big thing for them in their games and push it regularly, but that seems like it would be niche at best. Like the Gor subgroup of fantasy fans as opposed to the Lord of the Rings baseline. I can see it existing and existing a bunch, but having it be considered the integral baseline seems off.</blockquote>

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