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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9773380" data-attributes="member: 7026594">I agree that as a younger gamer coming into RPGs in the 80s, sexual violence appearing in games I was involved with was very much the exception, and fellow adolescent players who thought it appropriate fare made me and by brother (my main early gaming buddy) distinctly uncomfortable.One of the observations I had of Shared Fantasy, which Danielson was referring to, was that SA/SV seemed much more commonplace and acceptable than I would have expected, in the groups Fine played with in the Twin Cities area in the period he studied, which was IIRC roughly '76-'80.  So when I came back across our posts from last December it occurred to me that either A) this was a regional thing, and the early game groups Fine played with (including MAR Barker's circle and the club in Minneapolis which was tangential to Arneson's immediate circle) were aberrant exceptions, or B) there was already a significant cultural shift in this regard between the latter half of the 70s and our own young game experiences in the 80s.  Maybe some combination of the two.Reading Danielson's comments in Steampunkette's OP in that thread after having actually read Shared Fantasy myself, I didn't feel like Danielson was exaggerating much or misrepresenting.  I'm not certain that it was "integral" to the same extent that you've (reasonably, IMO) described violence in general as being, but it seems to have been shockingly (from my perspective) pervasive and accepted. We know that Arneson included riding birds in his campaigns as a reference to Tarns from Gor, and apparently the Gor books were influential in his gaming circles. So yes, maybe that was part of it.</blockquote>

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